Our Alberta Nursing Union has a Bread and Roses award ceremony every year. This award harkens back to a speech given by Helen Todd "Bread for all, roses too" it was later made into a song and a poem to represent the struggle for fair wages, dignity and better working conditions. The Bread and Roses award is given to grass roots union leaders who have made an impact in the lives of those in their community in the labour movement. At the beginning of this episode when Katie and Caro were 'giving eachother flowers' I also gave them each bread in my mind. 🍞🌹 thank you ladies for all the work you do and the positive impact you have on this community.
This episode really came together for me at the end with the insight about the system working exactly how it’s intended to work and is protecting the interests of exactly who it’s designed to protect especially regarding housing. And TOTALLY agree re: the weird warped perspective of the US with regard to housing. While other people in other countries have homes, we have INVESTMENTS!!!!1 Because our retirement system and safety net is insane.
I’m pro removing chokepoints and simplifying bureaucracy (as a scientist that has to routinely beg for government grant money to do my research, plz lord jesus someone fix that system but that someone also should not be the current administration). BUT it is also sooo true that this will only chip away at the edges of a system that’s simply not interested in creating abundance and equality for everyone.
Yupppp. My husband and I are considering buying a condo (someday eventually in the distant future) in our high cost of living neighborhood that we absolutely adore and never want to leave. It’s been a lot of “omg how could you that will never appreciate in value” when I try to find advice about it. And it’s like….but that is my HOME and where i want to EXIST. I have other investment accounts leave me aloneeeeee
Hhheeeyyyooo Cleveland liar here and loved all the attention! I’d like to take this opportunity to beg all the leftists to come move here to outnumber the crazies with me. We’re a climate haven, so it’s a perfect long term “investment.”
One of the things that I have noticed is parts that made intuitive sense to me as someone who speaks wonk, are major points of non explanation. I am what I'd call a leftist wonk I'm a political science student, and am a huge nerd for this type of nuts and bolts stuff and administrative governance.
The example of CAHSR environmental review was a major part of the delays as well as lawsuits form every landowner and NIMBY using every law they could to stop it. This is an article form transit advocacy org that goes further into the details.
Transit in the us costs far more than it does in other countries for a multitude of reasons. NYU has put out a lot of really good work on this in their transit cost project. But you did correctly identify outsourcing as the single biggest cause of this, but there are dozens of others that add up.
Zoning is similarly not the only thing that constricts housing but is one of the biggest. In the 70s cities across the us down zoned their city and in many places that zoning is still largely in place. Zoning does dictate where housing is built and it is almost always zoned to protect rich SFH neighborhoods from ever changing. NIMBYism and zoning really go hand and hand. A great example of this from the other day was in SF where there was a large group of multi million dollar homeowners trying to block a mixed use apartment building with a Safeway that was replacing a strip mall style Safeway.
More housing is needed, even market rate. It is the broad economic consensus that increasing the supply does eventually decrease the costs. Austin Auckland and Minneapolis are the classic examples. I don't believe that private housing alone will solve the problem, but it's a part of any realistic solution, and can be done at a municipal level quite easily My preferred policy of a massive build out of publicly owned mixed income housing cannot be done without a massive federal investment. There is no real solution to the housing crisis that does not involve building 10s of thousands of units of housing and pissing off a lot of NIMBYs acorss the contrary.
The funny thing is as you pointed out in the conclusion is the most natural home for abundance politics is the left. The New Deal and Great Society are the example of government working. Mamdani is Abundance's strongest solder he has done work to make it easier to build housing and wants to do more, making regulations less byzantine for small businesses, eliminating veto points for bus and bike lanes. The left to succeed legislatively needs a politics that can break through barriers both legislatively but administratively as well. I think a left that wins is one that wins with leftist policies and uses things like abundance as a governing philosophy. It’s answers to complex problems are not just silver bullet solutions but "yes and".
Californians for Electric Rail on how CEQA has hurt CAHSR
You and I are in complete agreement that a flood of supply will ultimately lower prices; I don't think that part is in question! What *is* in question, in my reading of both the text and the research surrounding it, is whether streamlining regulatory requirements on its own (and maybe dangling some more incentives for private development) is enough to overcome the fundamental structural incentives we've created around housing in this country. It sounds like your POV is that there's a need for massive federal investment—I agree—but that isn't central (or included at all, insofar as I can tell) to the Abundance model for housing
I think that's a very real question. I'm not sure how much we can solve just by doing those actions but it's certainly it would help a bit. My point was more about how I think that the questions raised by abundance would be issues faced by any government that wants to do things. Less of adopting abundance in its current state in more of learning the lessons.
Because I do think you really nailed the problems of Abundance, is that this is a very in the weeds governing theory. The fact that a lot of the Democratic party wants to take it up as its platform shows that they are completely out of ideas. Overall one of the best critiques of Abundance.
Thank you for making the point about privatization and consultants sucking tax dollars for infrastructure! That is absolutely the issue. I’m a civil engineer who’s worked in the public sector for 10 years. We cannot retain staff to see projects through to completion which adds cost and then projects are given to consultants that charge 5 times as much to do the same work. And contractors are slow because there are not enough city staff to properly manage their work. Hiring more city workers at better wages would solve these problems.
This is a big way Mamdani closed the budget gap!! And also (shout out to the TVA) how FDR built the infrastructure we're all still clinging to for dear life
I loved the local hire blitz he did for emergency snow removal last winter. Do you know how Mamdani is able to get around civil service rules for hiring?
There's nothing I love more in a podcast than when one person is trying to talk about something serious and the other is trying to run with their joke. I could have listened to a lot longer of Caro listing lemons and Katie trying to get the train back on the tracks, barely holding in her frustration.
KU mention, rock chalk 💙 also agree with the comment that this episode really came together with the reminder that the purpose of a system is what it does. We already have a lot of abundance, the question is where it is flowing to.
hey Katie and Caro!! just wanted to give a HUGE HUGE thank you for the redistribution effort. I have been able to purchase things for the new apartment (and for my cat) and its been such a life-changer! its so sweet that you guys were able to do this for your supporters. happy to be a dirty little liar (*＾▽＾*)
Our Alberta Nursing Union has a Bread and Roses award ceremony every year. This award harkens back to a speech given by Helen Todd "Bread for all, roses too" it was later made into a song and a poem to represent the struggle for fair wages, dignity and better working conditions. The Bread and Roses award is given to grass roots union leaders who have made an impact in the lives of those in their community in the labour movement. At the beginning of this episode when Katie and Caro were 'giving eachother flowers' I also gave them each bread in my mind. 🍞🌹 thank you ladies for all the work you do and the positive impact you have on this community.
This episode really came together for me at the end with the insight about the system working exactly how it’s intended to work and is protecting the interests of exactly who it’s designed to protect especially regarding housing. And TOTALLY agree re: the weird warped perspective of the US with regard to housing. While other people in other countries have homes, we have INVESTMENTS!!!!1 Because our retirement system and safety net is insane.
I’m pro removing chokepoints and simplifying bureaucracy (as a scientist that has to routinely beg for government grant money to do my research, plz lord jesus someone fix that system but that someone also should not be the current administration). BUT it is also sooo true that this will only chip away at the edges of a system that’s simply not interested in creating abundance and equality for everyone.
So real. And if you can't build equity on a home you own, it's considered an irresponsible financial move. Even though you have a place to live.
Yupppp. My husband and I are considering buying a condo (someday eventually in the distant future) in our high cost of living neighborhood that we absolutely adore and never want to leave. It’s been a lot of “omg how could you that will never appreciate in value” when I try to find advice about it. And it’s like….but that is my HOME and where i want to EXIST. I have other investment accounts leave me aloneeeeee
Omg the first 2 minutes go so hard 🤘🏻🎸🇺🇸
i liked the machine gun fire lol
Chef’s kiss 🤌🏻
Hhheeeyyyooo Cleveland liar here and loved all the attention! I’d like to take this opportunity to beg all the leftists to come move here to outnumber the crazies with me. We’re a climate haven, so it’s a perfect long term “investment.”
I'm a Cleveland liar as well!!! 🥹
Same here!! People really don’t know what they’re missing!
I love it here! 🩵
CLEVELAND LIAR TOO - thank you for the complex Cleveland love 😂❤️🌈 incredible takes, as always
wooooooo cleveland!!!! (im in akron)
That intro! 🤣
ABUNDANCE 💪💪💪🎸🎸🫡🫡
Oh Jesus Christ yes, I am on a transatlantic flight with my infant tomorrow and am so thankful I will have this downloaded
One of the things that I have noticed is parts that made intuitive sense to me as someone who speaks wonk, are major points of non explanation. I am what I'd call a leftist wonk I'm a political science student, and am a huge nerd for this type of nuts and bolts stuff and administrative governance.
The example of CAHSR environmental review was a major part of the delays as well as lawsuits form every landowner and NIMBY using every law they could to stop it. This is an article form transit advocacy org that goes further into the details.
Transit in the us costs far more than it does in other countries for a multitude of reasons. NYU has put out a lot of really good work on this in their transit cost project. But you did correctly identify outsourcing as the single biggest cause of this, but there are dozens of others that add up.
Zoning is similarly not the only thing that constricts housing but is one of the biggest. In the 70s cities across the us down zoned their city and in many places that zoning is still largely in place. Zoning does dictate where housing is built and it is almost always zoned to protect rich SFH neighborhoods from ever changing. NIMBYism and zoning really go hand and hand. A great example of this from the other day was in SF where there was a large group of multi million dollar homeowners trying to block a mixed use apartment building with a Safeway that was replacing a strip mall style Safeway.
More housing is needed, even market rate. It is the broad economic consensus that increasing the supply does eventually decrease the costs. Austin Auckland and Minneapolis are the classic examples. I don't believe that private housing alone will solve the problem, but it's a part of any realistic solution, and can be done at a municipal level quite easily My preferred policy of a massive build out of publicly owned mixed income housing cannot be done without a massive federal investment. There is no real solution to the housing crisis that does not involve building 10s of thousands of units of housing and pissing off a lot of NIMBYs acorss the contrary.
The funny thing is as you pointed out in the conclusion is the most natural home for abundance politics is the left. The New Deal and Great Society are the example of government working. Mamdani is Abundance's strongest solder he has done work to make it easier to build housing and wants to do more, making regulations less byzantine for small businesses, eliminating veto points for bus and bike lanes. The left to succeed legislatively needs a politics that can break through barriers both legislatively but administratively as well. I think a left that wins is one that wins with leftist policies and uses things like abundance as a governing philosophy. It’s answers to complex problems are not just silver bullet solutions but "yes and".
Californians for Electric Rail on how CEQA has hurt CAHSR
https://calelectricrail.org/how-ceqa-holds-back-cleaner-better-rail-part-1-introduction-to-ceqa/
NYU Transit costs
https://transitcosts.com/cases/
You and I are in complete agreement that a flood of supply will ultimately lower prices; I don't think that part is in question! What *is* in question, in my reading of both the text and the research surrounding it, is whether streamlining regulatory requirements on its own (and maybe dangling some more incentives for private development) is enough to overcome the fundamental structural incentives we've created around housing in this country. It sounds like your POV is that there's a need for massive federal investment—I agree—but that isn't central (or included at all, insofar as I can tell) to the Abundance model for housing
I think that's a very real question. I'm not sure how much we can solve just by doing those actions but it's certainly it would help a bit. My point was more about how I think that the questions raised by abundance would be issues faced by any government that wants to do things. Less of adopting abundance in its current state in more of learning the lessons.
Because I do think you really nailed the problems of Abundance, is that this is a very in the weeds governing theory. The fact that a lot of the Democratic party wants to take it up as its platform shows that they are completely out of ideas. Overall one of the best critiques of Abundance.
Thanks for listening and writing — I cut the CEQA section mid-recording because I worried it would be too boring and now I’m kicking myself lol
bonus ep bonus ep bonus ep!
I don’t blame, you for that, while I might find a topic like that interesting, I have train autism and a huge nerd for this stuff 😂.
Great ep, great intro 🤣
I’ve never been but I did hear Cleveland was cool 🤔
Thank you for making the point about privatization and consultants sucking tax dollars for infrastructure! That is absolutely the issue. I’m a civil engineer who’s worked in the public sector for 10 years. We cannot retain staff to see projects through to completion which adds cost and then projects are given to consultants that charge 5 times as much to do the same work. And contractors are slow because there are not enough city staff to properly manage their work. Hiring more city workers at better wages would solve these problems.
This is a big way Mamdani closed the budget gap!! And also (shout out to the TVA) how FDR built the infrastructure we're all still clinging to for dear life
I loved the local hire blitz he did for emergency snow removal last winter. Do you know how Mamdani is able to get around civil service rules for hiring?
The dept of sanitation hired them as temporary per diem workers !
There's nothing I love more in a podcast than when one person is trying to talk about something serious and the other is trying to run with their joke. I could have listened to a lot longer of Caro listing lemons and Katie trying to get the train back on the tracks, barely holding in her frustration.
KU mention, rock chalk 💙 also agree with the comment that this episode really came together with the reminder that the purpose of a system is what it does. We already have a lot of abundance, the question is where it is flowing to.
great way to start the day 🥰
My next 2.5 hours are booked
“Just Enough Lemons” by Caro Claire Burke. Take my money.
hey Katie and Caro!! just wanted to give a HUGE HUGE thank you for the redistribution effort. I have been able to purchase things for the new apartment (and for my cat) and its been such a life-changer! its so sweet that you guys were able to do this for your supporters. happy to be a dirty little liar (*＾▽＾*)