Had to pause around 1:40 to log on here and say that Katie, you are literally doing a better job describing the history of social welfare policy in the U.S. than my actual Social Welfare Policy I professor in my Masters of Social Work program and this is one among many reasons why I have paused that program for a moment. This episode fucks, this podcast fucks. Thank you.
My bi-weekly antidote for the Sunday Scaries is brewed & posted before my morning coffee? I love the consistency & dedication you both put into this community <3
I haven't finished the episode but needed to pause at 27 mins after Charlie said don't be poor and don't get married if you are poor to men and you just need to work harder not to be poor because if you're a man*, it's not hard to not be poor. *His implication was white man - if you are a white man, there is no reason for you to not be poor which directly plays into all the other right wing bullshit because why are white men poor now? Because women, people of color and foreigners took their jobs. The jobs they are entitled to and no longer have because *those people* are in white men's spaces now. And of course it's not the billionaires and CEOs who are hoarding wealth - it's the women who should be at home "submitting" and the black people who should be doing the heavy labor jobs domestically and commercially and the foreigners who should not be here at all because the black people should be in the jobs that the undocumented foreigners are doing and the white men should be in the professional and trade sectors the foreigners are occupying. If only all of those people weren't in the way, you white man could be a billionaire with a submissive wife too. FULL CIRCLE. They operate out of scarcity to invoke fear and control to inflict their hate on to everyone and stay in power. It's sick and disgusting.
Absolutely loved the wrap up and takeaways on this episode. The left is VASTLY more family-friendly than right-leaning policies because the goal is to help all humans thrive, not control a population! We should not cede that ground to Republicans! Also while y'all are thinking about merch, may I suggest a "Sand in the Gears" sticker or something? It's not as funny as some of the other suggestions in the chat but I feel like a good little rallying cry to be reminded of every time I look at it.
NICK i am absolutely gagged at the outro, this podcast was already perfect but getting him on board for little auditory treats was such an inspired idea
some very interesting verbiage I noticed from that stucky maga podcaster was when discussing marriage she was saying “men” and “girls” which feels like a very telling infantilisation and diminution of women’s role in marriage just from the language alone ….
I’m only 30 minutes in so maybe you get to this but the IRONY of the whole “man must be in charge of all finances” bit is that Erika is now a widow and 100% in charge of the finances!! Maybe now she’ll recognize the dangers/headaches/risks of demanding women have no knowledge of their household and business finances… but prob not.
I thought this too, like does she feel the need to quickly remarry to get a man back in charge? She seems to be happily capitalizing on the tragedy for $$$
Used Submission/Surrender and Soft in Therapy This Week, Connecting Trauma and Biblical Womanhood
Texas born and bred weirdo with kids. I’m the product of a Shein biblical marriage. SAHM who was actually a brilliant autistic woman that was never going to succeed at her biblical vocation. She was and is an emotionally abusive parent. But she’s chilled out without all the stimulus of kids and a husband. Dad was an abused ADHD kid from small farm town Texas. Never saw anything modeled properly. He was emotionally and physically abusive and softened a lot after divorce and finding himself a “real” biblical woman. That’s a different post.
Anyways, my daughter was in the hospital in February for a month with pneumonia. Was intubated for over a week. My dad died 3 days after she came home. I’m executor. It’s all too much.
Finally got a therapist like the adult I am. Combination of traditional talk and EMDR. Just had a session because my granddad died last week and had a memory come up where I was at his wedding to my granny (he’s a step granddad) and wearing soft florals and butterfly clips and feeling light and soft. It’s my last memory before I feel like I lost my whimsy.
Queue me telling my therapist I desperately crave that before time where I was soft and want to surrender/submit. But to MYSELF. Not another person.
So that’s why I’m sharing. My story is likely similar to a lot of our peers. I listened to what Charlie said and liked it - because like Caro - I have an egalitarian anti-racist marriage. I barely have the eye to see it. My two sisters are vulnerable to this narrative.
Fascinating thoughts for my drive to clean out my dads house today. I stopped just so I could type this up. Thanks for the emotional processing inspiration.
Wow! Glad you’re doing well. A friend of mine who is very submissive (in a kinky way) identified as collared (submissive) to herself when she was single. It’s an interesting idea— surrendering to self. I think it can be done in a really healthy way that allows you to be soft with yourself while showing up as the provider and leader in your life. Sounds like you have a good therapist to help you sort that out. Good luck on your journey! Be kind to yourself.
I have a personal fascination with this entire topic (largely due to my own time as a young adult/newlywed in the evangelical church), and I am so glad you spent time diving into it further. I *need* more people to understand the absolute CHOKEHOLD Biblical “teachers” like Allie Beth Stuckey have on women in this space. Her rabbit hole, in particular, is deeeeeeep.
I'm late to listening to this one but just had to say that I'm getting ready for the day, y'all mention Jesse Helms, and my eye immediately started twitching. Great work, ladies!
Starting an outline with Biblical Marital Submission, riding along the edges of “corporate”/Hollywood depictions of bdsm and effortlessly segueing into a breakdown of the 1970’s stagflationary impacts on family formation before landing with AIDS-crisis activism was some pretty god-tier narrative structure. At 2x speed, it was also pretty whiplash inducing! Highly recommend. 10/10, no notes this time.
ps. Caro, Yesteryear request submitted to Phoenix Public Library.
Had to pause around 1:40 to log on here and say that Katie, you are literally doing a better job describing the history of social welfare policy in the U.S. than my actual Social Welfare Policy I professor in my Masters of Social Work program and this is one among many reasons why I have paused that program for a moment. This episode fucks, this podcast fucks. Thank you.
Oh my god yes, I am so glad someone mentioned policy! I am an LICSW and was thinking back to all I missed during that class when listening to this ep
You will dig the book The Sum of Us.
My bi-weekly antidote for the Sunday Scaries is brewed & posted before my morning coffee? I love the consistency & dedication you both put into this community <3
I haven't finished the episode but needed to pause at 27 mins after Charlie said don't be poor and don't get married if you are poor to men and you just need to work harder not to be poor because if you're a man*, it's not hard to not be poor. *His implication was white man - if you are a white man, there is no reason for you to not be poor which directly plays into all the other right wing bullshit because why are white men poor now? Because women, people of color and foreigners took their jobs. The jobs they are entitled to and no longer have because *those people* are in white men's spaces now. And of course it's not the billionaires and CEOs who are hoarding wealth - it's the women who should be at home "submitting" and the black people who should be doing the heavy labor jobs domestically and commercially and the foreigners who should not be here at all because the black people should be in the jobs that the undocumented foreigners are doing and the white men should be in the professional and trade sectors the foreigners are occupying. If only all of those people weren't in the way, you white man could be a billionaire with a submissive wife too. FULL CIRCLE. They operate out of scarcity to invoke fear and control to inflict their hate on to everyone and stay in power. It's sick and disgusting.
This is a huge point
This episode is incredibly unhinged. Katie I am screaming I hope you heal from your dream lmao
Why is no one talking about the outro?🤭
Outro was amazing, I think the internet should be flooded with it lol.
Dude that was wild!
lmao you guys the OUTRO 😂
Thank you Katie, Caro, and now Nick for your service 🫡
Time for everyone to head out the door and girl boss your way to the top of “America’s Most Annoying Bitches” list
Absolutely loved the wrap up and takeaways on this episode. The left is VASTLY more family-friendly than right-leaning policies because the goal is to help all humans thrive, not control a population! We should not cede that ground to Republicans! Also while y'all are thinking about merch, may I suggest a "Sand in the Gears" sticker or something? It's not as funny as some of the other suggestions in the chat but I feel like a good little rallying cry to be reminded of every time I look at it.
NICK i am absolutely gagged at the outro, this podcast was already perfect but getting him on board for little auditory treats was such an inspired idea
some very interesting verbiage I noticed from that stucky maga podcaster was when discussing marriage she was saying “men” and “girls” which feels like a very telling infantilisation and diminution of women’s role in marriage just from the language alone ….
I’m only 30 minutes in so maybe you get to this but the IRONY of the whole “man must be in charge of all finances” bit is that Erika is now a widow and 100% in charge of the finances!! Maybe now she’ll recognize the dangers/headaches/risks of demanding women have no knowledge of their household and business finances… but prob not.
I thought this too, like does she feel the need to quickly remarry to get a man back in charge? She seems to be happily capitalizing on the tragedy for $$$
Used Submission/Surrender and Soft in Therapy This Week, Connecting Trauma and Biblical Womanhood
Texas born and bred weirdo with kids. I’m the product of a Shein biblical marriage. SAHM who was actually a brilliant autistic woman that was never going to succeed at her biblical vocation. She was and is an emotionally abusive parent. But she’s chilled out without all the stimulus of kids and a husband. Dad was an abused ADHD kid from small farm town Texas. Never saw anything modeled properly. He was emotionally and physically abusive and softened a lot after divorce and finding himself a “real” biblical woman. That’s a different post.
Anyways, my daughter was in the hospital in February for a month with pneumonia. Was intubated for over a week. My dad died 3 days after she came home. I’m executor. It’s all too much.
Finally got a therapist like the adult I am. Combination of traditional talk and EMDR. Just had a session because my granddad died last week and had a memory come up where I was at his wedding to my granny (he’s a step granddad) and wearing soft florals and butterfly clips and feeling light and soft. It’s my last memory before I feel like I lost my whimsy.
Queue me telling my therapist I desperately crave that before time where I was soft and want to surrender/submit. But to MYSELF. Not another person.
So that’s why I’m sharing. My story is likely similar to a lot of our peers. I listened to what Charlie said and liked it - because like Caro - I have an egalitarian anti-racist marriage. I barely have the eye to see it. My two sisters are vulnerable to this narrative.
Fascinating thoughts for my drive to clean out my dads house today. I stopped just so I could type this up. Thanks for the emotional processing inspiration.
Wow! Glad you’re doing well. A friend of mine who is very submissive (in a kinky way) identified as collared (submissive) to herself when she was single. It’s an interesting idea— surrendering to self. I think it can be done in a really healthy way that allows you to be soft with yourself while showing up as the provider and leader in your life. Sounds like you have a good therapist to help you sort that out. Good luck on your journey! Be kind to yourself.
I have a personal fascination with this entire topic (largely due to my own time as a young adult/newlywed in the evangelical church), and I am so glad you spent time diving into it further. I *need* more people to understand the absolute CHOKEHOLD Biblical “teachers” like Allie Beth Stuckey have on women in this space. Her rabbit hole, in particular, is deeeeeeep.
Let the record reflect that Allie Beth Stuckey ALSO wrote a book called "You're Not Enough (& That's Okay)" 🤮 I'm so glad she's raising kids.
22 minutes in and I realize erikkka has daddy issues
I'm late to listening to this one but just had to say that I'm getting ready for the day, y'all mention Jesse Helms, and my eye immediately started twitching. Great work, ladies!
Starting an outline with Biblical Marital Submission, riding along the edges of “corporate”/Hollywood depictions of bdsm and effortlessly segueing into a breakdown of the 1970’s stagflationary impacts on family formation before landing with AIDS-crisis activism was some pretty god-tier narrative structure. At 2x speed, it was also pretty whiplash inducing! Highly recommend. 10/10, no notes this time.
ps. Caro, Yesteryear request submitted to Phoenix Public Library.
❤️❤️❤️ Katie crushed it
(Cue joke about us taking positive feedback better than constructive)
LOL, noted!
My therapist keeps telling me the thick skin will come in time